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Larpcast 3: 9th Edition

This extra episode is a little different from the previous two and focuses on the history and process behind the scenes of producing 9th Edition for NERO. We recorded it as a bonus episode on top of our planned biweekly schedule and hope it is illuminating and entertaining to listen to.

Two extra notes from Mickey: 1) I don't think I make it clear enough in the podcast how much time, effort, and support Dave Epstein put into the process. He was with me from close to the start and while we had our disgreements about rules changes we were, and remain, good friends and I would not have wanted to go through this without him. Thank you Dave.

2) I want to, at least personally, dedicate this episode to my wife Alison. She has been a constant support and comfort during the past 2+ years of dealing with 9th Edition and put up with me and Dave taking over the living room for whole weekends without complaint. She had to deal with watching me go through all this and I am so thankful I have her to lean on. Thank you, Alison, I love you.

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  • Ed

    Wow… While I’d pieced together most of what is covered in this episode, there were a few little tidbits in here that made the whole saga make a lot more sense.

    You’re 100% right about this being the sort of thing where you need to get away from design and approval by committee, but I think that there are two other factors that greatly complicate matters in NERO.

    1) The game itself is fairly different in the different areas of the country. Between the playstyle of the players and the plotlines and statting of staff, over time different areas pretty much develop their own flavor.

    For instance, in chapters I’ve played, there area few casters who use shields, but it is hardly the norm at all, whereas in other areas it is commonplace like you mention. In my opinion, that’s why some of the assumptions many people make about the rules fall apart when applied to the organization as a whole.

    2) There’s nothing really stopping local chapters from just saying “I don’t like this, we’re going to do this instead”, as is quite clear from all the either “super, double secret” or local playtests that exist. Even with the release of 9th edition, there are already chapters saying “hey, they took X out, but we’re gonna make a playtest to put it back”, which just defeats the purpose.

    Mar 30, 2011 at 8:44 am
  • Ed

    One other comment on the moment at the end talking about people with many levels of formal magic only using it for cantrips and not even having the knowledge of how to cast formals…

    I think one contributing factor in this is that the formal magic system and treasure distribution rules have made it tough for characters in a lot of places to have access to the scrolls and components to do it.

    I’ve also seen, in some chapters, a culture that pretty much discourages anyone other than a special few from ever using their formal skill to cast formals.

    If wishes were fishes and I were waving a wand and changing things, I might look at revamping that whole aspect of the game. Some of my ideas might include: * Formal scrolls don’t expire, but all of them only have a limited number of castings. Additionally, pull them off of the regular treasure distribution and come up with a system to allow them to be put out more regularly. * Separate components from use in cantrips. Let formal components only power formals, and cantrip only components power cantrips. * Overhaul the flaw system to bring back “flaw surfing”, and let the # of levels of formal the caster has compared to the level of the formal dictate their chances of success rather than autosuccess. * New formals that have cool, functional uses outside of “make an item”. Even if they weren’t able to be extended and only lasted for an event, I could see people spending the components to cast something to give them a 1/day resist magic or things of that sort.

    Mar 30, 2011 at 9:00 am
  • larpcast

    Regarding the formal system, it fell into the same category as the Races in terms of time and scope. We obviously made a bunch of tweaks, but redesigning it fully was beyond what we could do in the time we had and the limitations we worked under.

    Btw, the first thing formal magic needs to address before all other tweaks is to remove the OOG element from it. Formal magic, like traps, is guarenteed to produce only one result 100% of the time: some degree of OOGness. And it’s really not necessary. We don’t need marshals for formal magic 99% of the time and the 1% of the time we do can be rewritten.

    Thanks for the comments! Seriously, I’m hoping people actively reply here and talk about the stuff we say so I really appreciate it and all the support you’ve shown us.

    Mickey

    Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 am
  • Ed

    Yeah, I knew it was way outside of the scope of what you were given. As I said, “if wishes were fishes”. ;)

    And I agree on the OOG element needing to be minimized, too. You’ll still need marshals for a good many of the formals that are plot related, though, but for the rest I agree completely.

    Mar 30, 2011 at 9:14 am
  • Ed

    Still in the “wishlist” vein of things for formal magic…

    One other option for a major revamp would be change the system so that formal magic doesn’t depend on scrolls to do the actual castings like many other LARPs do for their high magics (perhaps they’re used for formalists to learn the formals from).

    Just thinking roughly, perhaps each formalist would need a tome to record their known formal magics in. Have some game mechanic for learning formals either from scrolls or from other formalists (perhaps for the latter it would require a build-purchased skill), or maybe a cheap and common formal to do so. It would remove the drain of upkeeping formal scrolls, meaning there were more components available to actually cast formals with.

    Mar 30, 2011 at 1:56 pm
  • Noah

    On the topic of the not-constructive/hurtful commentary we got inundated with, here’s my general comment: Don’t post about WHY you think the writers made a given change. Talk about how the change mathematically affects the balance of the system, or about how examples of similar changes worked in this or other games, or simply what ultimate effect you think it will have on the game. Those topics are all fair game.

    What I absolutely HATE to read is when people editorialize on their expert psychological evaluations of what the inner motivation for the writer was, and extrapolate from there what kind of person/player the writer is. “Oh, they made a change to Waylay, and Waylay is powerful in PvP, so clearly the writers are player-ganking griefers that want to ruin everyone’s fun.” That one, and, “They made this change to benefit their characters,” are the ones we hear the most, and they make me want to throttle the poster every time. At that point, you’re not discussing the rules any more, you’re discussing all the unpleasant, distasteful and objectionable personality traits that you PROJECTED onto the writers. This does not move the discussion forward or benefit the game in any way. It just tells the writers that you think they’re bad people. What good does that do???

    Mar 30, 2011 at 10:11 pm
  • Ed

    Well said, Noah.

    Even as “just a player”, the types of responses you’re describing frustrated ME throughout this whole process because they invited more people to join in with the same sort of comments and made it extremely difficult to have any sort of actual discussion and debate about the changes presented.

    Almost as bad are the “all players” or “everyone knows” types of statements from people who are just projecting their own opinions and assumptions about the game onto everyone.

    Mar 31, 2011 at 5:54 am
  • Michael Conley

    See here is the problem with some of what was said about that mysterious mean ole chapter that ran poor Noah away, well that was me and my chapter, NorthCoast NERO check it out sometime.

    So you said Noah got ran off because we were blaming him for the Barbarian slay, but that is simply not true. The forum posting is still there- http://northcoastnero.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=390

    Starts about page 27 discussing transforms. Then I say I am making my point not based on my character and based on my chapter, to which Noah replies that not playing NERO and only running plot is a detriment and not nearly as valuable as someone that does both. (paraphrasing, read it yourself) In essence saying to me that his judgement on rules is better than mine. Now I know you want to paint it as me denigrating him, but it turns out he struck the first blow, then took his toys and went home.

    It is also interesting in your discussion about why and how the rules were made, that you say, “We were accused of making rules to benefit our characters, and we would never do that” then say the rules were sent out to chapter owners and other unknowns that added their own things and then put up for public review and that inevitably everyone suggests things to benefit their character. Um, so you don’t, but everyone else did? And we are bad for saying you might have and you are good for saying others did?

    I love the rules and appreciate the work and how hard it had to be to work with Joe V. but you can’t cry foul when accused of doing something then in the same breath accuse others of doing it and you cannot rewrite history when the history is posted on the internet.

    Mar 31, 2011 at 1:59 pm
  • larpcast

    Sad, my awesome reply was swallowed by technology. So here’s a shorter form.

    One, the nuance you missed was that we tangeted a bit into generally receiving an unwarranted amount of crap from people and Noah in that thread is a good example. As for Barbarian Slay, you’ve accused him of inventing it for his own benefit and accused the rest of us of similar things over the last year or two.

    “but you can’t cry foul when accused of doing something then in the same breath accuse others of doing it ”

    Of course I can. Here you go:

    2) Neither I nor Dave, Nick, Dan, or Noah changed rules for the benefit of our characters. However other people were prone to suggest changes to benefit themselves. Most people are also likely to vote to benefit their characters if the rules were ever actually put to a vote. Which is, of course, a big part of the context of that bit of the podcast. Also present were some overbroad generalizations, some venting, and generally a couple of guys talking on a podcast.

    Anyway, if you feel the urge to listen to future podcasts of ours and angrily defend yourself against us pointing out things you, or your chapter, have done, just do us a favor and tell as many of your friends as possible to come listen too.

    Mickey

    Mar 31, 2011 at 2:43 pm
  • Michael Conley

    Be happy to. But to clarify, I felt the need to defend things you SAID my chapter and I did, but your facts are and were wrong.

    I did say you made changes to benefit your characters. Noah did not leave my forums because of it.

    I agree that many people would vote to benefit their own character, including you three geniuses. We all have human faults, the anger starts when someone decides they are better than all the rest and are above reproach and should not be questioned.

    Mar 31, 2011 at 3:24 pm
  • Tom Bulmer

    So, Michael, not only are you saying that Mickey, Noah, and one of the other guys were abusing their roles in the process, you’re also calling them liars. Whether or not I believe you is one thing, but your posts both here and in the thread you linked seem very accusatory, defensive, and insulting.

    If you want to convince people here that you’re right, then by all means let’s have a rational conversation with facts and logic. If you’re unsure whether you can participate in such a discussion, please refer to this flowchart: http://www.buzzfeed.com/burnred/a-flowchart-to-help-you-determine-if-youre-281t

    Mar 31, 2011 at 4:07 pm
  • Dan C.

    Thanks for the “geniuses” comment, Mike! It’s always nice to get some props. :)

    Mar 31, 2011 at 5:27 pm
  • larpcast

    Moving on from NcN stuff, since that was such a small bit of the episode, anyone have any other comments about the episode? Or any questions?

    Mickey

    Mar 31, 2011 at 5:54 pm
  • Tom Bulmer

    What were the most gratifying or surprising parts of the open feedback period? Surprising in a good way, that is.

    I was very happy to hear the Sarr and Drae stories. I’ve enjoyed sharing them ever since I first heard them, but hopefully they’ll now have the wider distribution they deserve! It does bring to mind the ridiculous-ness of the “Vornae” thing, though, and it makes me sad.

    Mar 31, 2011 at 6:18 pm
  • Noah

    Mike, you’re a real piece of work, ya know that? I tried to resolve this privately with you but you dodged me. I was content to let it go, but you dragged it out again, so let’s throw down.

    First of all, you are correct that it was not your shameful and baseless accusations of changing the rules for our own benefit, which you absolutely DID post about and which resulted in one of your multiple suspensions from the national forums, that drove me from your boards. It was the generally abusive, combative tone that you take every time you perceive any kind of personal insult, even when you contrive said insult in your own befuddled mind, as well as a series of insults from Super Joe and a few other bad apples. Just so you know, I was contacted personally by numerous NCN players immediately afterward who all apologized for your conduct and expressed shame or disgust at the way you treated me. So it’s not just me you offended – even your own players, who you assume worship the ground you walk on solely based on the fact that they attend your game, saw how awful you were being. You have proven time and time again, as evidenced by your multiple censures and suspensions from the national forums, that you have an utter inability to communicate in anything resembling a mature or reasonable manner.

    As you say, the history of this exchange exists in perpetuity through the internet, so we can quite easily verify what happened. So let’s hash this out step-by-step:

    You posted stating that you have an inherently superior perspective on the game specifically because you do not PC the chapter. I stated that exclusively NPCing at a chapter does not give you a better perspective, but rather a poorer one because a balanced viewpoint from BOTH sides of the stage is ideal. I didn’t say that you NEVER PC anywhere, I merely referred to your own words.

    I was specifically referring to your post where you said yourself that you don’t PC at NCN. However, either due to a deficiency in reading comprehension or a willful misrepresentation of the facts, you responded with a petty, defensive, combative insult without bothering to ask if that was in fact what I meant.

    When I quoted the exact text I was referring to, instead of addressing it you went off on a rant about one of your favorite subjects in the world - how you are a “nero outsider” and that the “cool kids” are out to get you. I never once mentioned anything remotely having to do with who anyone hangs out with, but somehow you made that the centerpiece of your argument.

    When I confronted you about this in private and demanded that you quote exact text where I made any reference whatsoever to what groups either of us associate with, you immediately clammed up and had no response. We’re not in text chat right now, so you have plenty of time. I challenge you to cite a single post by me where I said that I know better than you based on our comparative circles of friends. You won’t find one, because you made it up in your deluded head.

    You say, that I “struck the first blow then took [my] toys and went home.” Firstly, my initial post was very measured, diplomatic and objective. I did not call you out by name, nor did I make any comment about your ability to understand the game or lack thereof. I merely refuted your assertion that only NPCing a given chapter grants an inherently superior perspective on game rules. That is the full extent of my comment and nothing more. Nothing I said can reasonably be interpreted as implying, either directly or indirectly, that you never PC at all and certainly not that you know less due to who you hang out with. The majority of your first reply is about how you PC all the time and how dare I imply that you don’t. You also called me a prick, so in point of fact YOU levied the first insult. Your second reply was mostly about your deranged “outsiders vs cool kids” obsession. Neither one had anything to do with the actual rules discussion that we were all desperately trying to maintain despite your childish tantrums.

    At that point I realized that you would not allow me to participate in the thread with your players without randomly interjecting combative, disruptive nonsense, so I ceased all posting on your forums hoping that I could escape your endless barrage of insanity once and for all. Instead, much to my chagrin, you follow me around the internet dropping random inane comments and distracting otherwise productive discussions. It’s almost as if you have a google news alert for “Noah Mason + nero” and decide to remind everyone how immature and reading comprehension-challenged you are every time I’m so much as passingly mentioned online.

    So now, here in front of everyone, cite me exact quotes of where I directly insulted you, or said anything whatsoever about who you hang out with. I have refuted all of your points and posited my own. It’s your turn for rebuttal. If you can provide real evidence to support your claims, I will address each item in turn and I promise I will accept any verified proof that I was in the wrong. If not, shut up about this forever and leave me the hell alone. I’m sick of this Conley-shaped shadow stalking me around the internet, everywhere I go.

    Mar 31, 2011 at 9:17 pm
  • Michael Conley

    OK, Last one, I promise. @ Tom, my point is NOT that the writers of the rules DID do things to benefit their characters, it is that they say everyone else did BUT them, which is completely ridiculous in and of itself and completely out of whack once you read the rules changes they made.

    Now Noah, master of the framing the argument with things that have nothing to do with the argument.

    “First of all, you are correct that it was not your shameful and baseless accusations of changing the rules for our own benefit, which you absolutely DID post about and which resulted in one of your multiple suspensions from the national forums, that drove me from your boards. It was the generally abusive, combative tone that you take every time you perceive any kind of personal insult, even when you contrive said insult in your own befuddled mind, as well as a series of insults from Super Joe and a few other bad apples.”

    My shameful and baseless accusations are no more so than Mickey just made here on this pod cast about others, so how bad could they be? I did in fact make them though, and then you and I discussed it in private and on public and I said if you tell me you had nothing to do with the things i said I was not there and can’t and won’t dispute it. And from that and including the thread on our forums I did not make another such statement. When Super Joe and other did attack you on those very same forums they were warned and stopped publicly and privately by me. There goes your mean ole Mike theory again.

    “You posted stating that you have an inherently superior perspective on the game specifically because you do not PC the chapter.”

    Um, no I didn’t. See this where you go Noah on me. You change the facts to suit the argument. If your facts were correct, your conclusion would be too, but they are not. But see the post is still there- “The thing to remember here is I do not have a character to worry about when I look at these things. I have to look at the big picture and the long term ramifications. Everything I look at is in regards to the NcN I would love to never have to cast another transform on my PC, but would rather do that then try to manage a run away power and economic structure at ncn. Its a matter of perspective.”

    Nope, nothing about being superior. Actually I was feeling like it might seem like I was making the argument from a character perspective because my primary is very publicly anti transform, so I wanted to clarify my position. Not a word about you being less qualified nor me being more so. As a matter of fact if you go back to the prior pages before I posted that, you really were not that involved in them. Tim and Bill were.

    “I was specifically referring to your post where you said yourself that you don’t PC at NCN.” Were you? Hm, lets look-

    “In my opinion, almost never PCing is actually a detriment to one’s judgement of rules, not a benefit. Without experiencing the rules from the players’ perspective, it’s really hard to say what affects them in terms of actual gameplay. The same goes for people who only PC and never run the game backstage. You need a balance to fully appreciate the full spectrum of the system.”

    Almost never PCing. Detriment to judgement. Hm, nothing about chapter there. Lets look further- “Without experiencing the rules from the players’ perspective, it’s really hard to say what affects them in terms of actual gameplay.”

    Still nothing about chapter. Just a blanket statement based on me saying I am looking at the rules based on my chapter not my character that, and I quote, “almost never PCing is actually a detriment to one’s judgement of rules, not a benefit.”

    And I went through all 37pages. Not a single post by me about not PCing NcN. Never mentioned it.

    Now, here is where I get way to sensitive. For the same reasons you and Mickey state you might have short fuse on criticism I have one about my judgement on NERO.

    Now if you go back to the discussion of slay, here was my position-

    “OK, to clarify, I have just gotten word the same as Noah just said. Apparently there are Parry and Dodge against Waylay, making it perfectly fine. The duration is good too, I did not get that.

    So there ya go. Everyone will never agree on racials. Jut look here, one person posts how bad Gypsies racial is and a few posts later we hear ho broken it is. I think they should all be balanced with one positive and one negative but that is a major rewrite and not what this edition was for. Therefore forget my dislike of the Slay and Dodge, they are minor things and worth discussion but not argument.

    The have admitted some things did not playtested and so we may just have to run it out and see how it they do.”

    Wow, brutal treatment.

    I also didn’t call you a prick, I said- Noah. Besides sounding extremely condescending and a bit prickish about who knows and can property institute the rules, who is it that you are being condescending towards that only runs games and doesn’t PC? It might be me if I didn’t PC regularly so I am unsure who you are superior too.

    Now since mine was the ONLY post about NPCing or PCing I think I am justified in assuming you were referring to me. We both know you were. But you always think you can veil your insults in lots of words and then have plausible deny-ability so you cry out in righteous indignation when confronted on it. “I didn’t SAY you had a lack of judgement, I just said people with your experience that do things like you have a lack of judgement.” Come on man!

    When you confronted me in private we talked a bit and I had to go to an appointment for work. During that conversation if memory serves we were both saying we are overly sensitive to our respective criticisms. We had not reached agreement, but were moving in that direction, but that wouldn’t really fit here for you would it?

    I brought you up because someone on a podcast I wanted to listen to made false accusations about me and my chapter. It had nothing to do with you, it had to do with a lie. Dishonesty. I can’t correct the pod cast, I can only post in comments afterward. You left our forums after I posted I was making decisions based on NcN not Drago followed by you saying, as quoted above- “In my opinion, almost never PCing is actually a detriment to one’s judgement of rules, not a benefit. ”

    It had nothing to do with me saying anything derogatory about barby slays or you having anything to do with them as was said on hat pod cast

    You don’t have to like me, don’t care. You don’t have to like my game either. But if you are going to do a public podcast and lie about me I am likely going to respond and the lie was that Noah was chased away from our forums by me accusing him of making rules based on his character and in 37 pages, there is no such statement or innuendo.

    As to getting banned from the national forums. Noah, when I get banned from the national forums I am reassured I am on the right path.

    Mar 31, 2011 at 11:23 pm
  • larpcast

    Neither Bill nor I lied in our podcast. Period. Nor are am I going to tolerate that degree of libel here. Fortunately, people can just listen for themselves. The relevant phrases are Bill saying “like Barbarian Slay” and me saying “all sorts of crap”. At around the 30-35 minute mark. As I pointed out before, Mike, we had drifted from a strict focus on Barbarian Slay to a more general discussion about Noah getting a bunch of crap on your forums when he went to answer questions. Crap similar to, or “like” if you will, the kind of crap he had gotten over Barbarian Slay.

    You owe Bill and I an apology for the very serious accusation that we lied. It is also rather sad that you assume people are purposefully setting out to deceive rather than any other possibility such as you misunderstood what was said or us making an honest mistake. No, to you, it is clearly a deliberate attempt at deception. Sad.

    Anyway, you’re welcome to post an apology or you’re welcome to not post. But as much acrimony that has been in this comment thread already and as much as we have been hands off, you crossed a line and it will not be tolerated.

    Mickey

    Mar 31, 2011 at 11:47 pm
  • larpcast

    On to something more positive.

    “What were the most gratifying or surprising parts of the open feedback period? Surprising in a good way, that is.”

    We actually did get a bunch of good perspectives and ideas out of the morass of commentary that came from posting the draft. I think I mention in the podcast that we made a hundred or more changes. There were good ideas and good opinions and some people really took the time to think about the changes and come up up with thoughtful discussion. Some people, whether they agreed or disagreed, clearly cared about the game and respected our efforts and it was really nice to see that mix and was the moments of uplift we really needed.

    We also got some private messages and comments from people that were really supportive and kind and those kinds of things, out of nowhere, are always surprising and always awesome.

    Mickey

    Mar 31, 2011 at 11:57 pm
  • Noah

    First of all, you stop calling Mickey and Bill liars right now. That is not acceptable. They did not ever say that the barbarian slay accusations were specifically why I left your forums. They said that I had been soliciting feedback and that the general beating I took caused me to give up. You repeatedly insist that they claimed this was the single reason I left, as if that justifies all of your utterly immature and ridiculous comments both here and elsewhere, when that is simply not what they said. That’s probably what you HEARD because your peculiar psychosis filters all real world input so that somehow everything is about you, personally. Just like how I made a post that was actually about WAR but your “noah + nero” google alert told you I said *something* about larp, so you got all defensive and jumped onto my status thread. They also never claimed that “everyone” who gave them feedback did so out of self interest. They joked that SOME people did that, specifically the ones who prefaced their comment with, “Now mind you, this isn’t to benefit my character…” You dishonestly twisted their words to fit the picture you’re painting of them and justify your argument. Your final comment shows how much you invest in this laughable “class warrior” role that you’ve written for yourself, where you’re the “badass rebel” fighting the good fight against “Big Brother Nero.” It’s pathetic.

    “The thing to remember here is I do not have a character to worry about when I look at these things. I have to look at the big picture and the long term ramifications. Everything I look at is in regards to the NcN I would love to never have to cast another transform on my PC, but would rather do that then try to manage a run away power and economic structure at ncn. Its a matter of perspective.”

    This is clearly implying that you have a superior perspective. You’re saying that you don’t have a character to worry about, but the other posters do, so we should defer to your judgement. The implication is very clear.

    My reply was totally balanced and fair. I said that if you don’t PC, you have a skewed perspective. It was correct then, it’s correct now, and yes, that absolutely does apply to you. It works on both a local and national level. If you don’t PC locally, you have a skewed perspective locally. If you don’t PC anywhere in the country, you have a skewed perspective nationally.

    And, as usual, you never addressed that central point at all. Instead, you threw a childish tantrum and insisted that you PC all over the place, I just don’t see it. You could have acted like an adult and rebutted my point with something along the lines of ‘gathering feedback from your players to compensate for the one-sided view you get of the chapter,’ or any of a number of reasonable responses, but you side-stepped my actual point and turned into something personal. I would have clarified if you had engaged my point on anything approaching a rational level, but you didn’t. You threw up some middleschool-level post about how you’re the most PC-ey PC to ever have PCed since the history of PCing.

    And yes, that qualifies as calling me a prick. “No, I didn’t call you a prick, I said you have prickish verbal stylings. Totally different.” Give me a break. You insulted me first, and anyone with a sliver of maturity and reading comprehension will see that.

    “But I suppose that is not equal to playing with the cool kids. I’ll try to find a group of cool players so I can improve my judgement, based on my chapters moderate success its obviously lacking.”

    You’re quick with the quotes but somehow left this one out, eh? Maybe because it makes you sound like a petulant 13-year-old girl. You also left out the fact that the text in my initial post you took offense to was less that 25% of the actual post, most of which directly spoke to the issue of the “component economy.” *I* was continuing to move the discussion forward in a mature manner, while *YOU* diverged completely into a personal squabble. THIS, this right here, is why I left your forums. Because of childish crap like this.

    You have drastically less experience with nero than me or any of the national staff. That’s not an insult, it’s just math. You haven’t played as long as I have. Does that sting, big boy? I bet it does. I bet it just burns you up. DEAL WITH IT. You are King Rookie of N00b Mountain, and you always will be.

    Apr 1, 2011 at 12:46 am
  • Crimson/Daniel

    im pretty sure i heard generalizations about how noah was treated as a whole. as opposed to attacks against him by specific people. i dunno why everyone is so butthurt about things. ive seen the politics in my travels and the national forums. i just wanna hear a podcast. its nice of mickey and bill to not mention any names as to slander people in the open. everyone understands there is hidden drama behind the scenes. what i gathered from all this fun times with radios is that the people have a right to know about the overview of 9th edition and what the process was. not who bitched at who.

    the cake is made.

    so what if lil timmy dropped some eggshells into it.

    happy birthday grandpa.

    Apr 1, 2011 at 4:43 am
  • Ed

    @Mickey

    “Some people, whether they agreed or disagreed, clearly cared about the game and respected our efforts and it was really nice to see that mix and was the moments of uplift we really needed.”

    As one of those who put a lot of effort into my feedback (how many pages was it that I sent you? LOL), hearing that it was appreciated and taken to heart really means a lot to me. Thanks!

    ~Ed

    Apr 1, 2011 at 5:52 am
  • Jyn

    Aww, I got a shout-out for managing to somehow nerf the most useless skill in the game. Yay~

    Apr 1, 2011 at 3:25 pm
  • Daniel Burke

    Goodness its always amazing to look back at history and go ‘thank goodness I said no’ as I would not have had the grace to deal with stuff the way you guys did.

    The sad part is looking back at how much of this started before 2000 with a lot of the politics and personalities driving the issues into the dirt for the next decade. While the updates to the rulebook were sorely needed and executed as best they could in the circumstances, its frustrating to see the obvious ‘hamstring’ points in the text.

    Glad to see the podcast going strong and people who play in a variety of systems able to talk about LARPing in a fair and unbiased sense, keep up the great stuff guys!

    Apr 5, 2011 at 7:19 am
  • Becky

    @Tom,

    That’s an awesome chart.

    May 5, 2011 at 6:39 pm